February 6th, 2012
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“Did Square Enix deliver console parity in this Fantasy?”
| System Breakdown | Xbox 360 Stats | PlayStation 3 Stats |
| Resolutions: | Up to 1080p | Up to 1080p |
| # of Discs: | single | single |
| HD Install: | Optional | No Install |
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Welcome back for another exciting Head2Head! Our first full analysis article of the year begins with 2012′s first major release — Final Fantasy XIII-2 on the PS3 and Xbox 360! The original FF XIII was a big win for the PS3 back in 2010, so XIII-2 has a lot to live up to in terms of true console parity. Has this new entry achieved this goal, or will one console once again command a sizable advantage against the other? Read on to find out.
Graphics: When we look at the visual aspect of the game, we have a bit of a double edged sword to reveal. First off we would like to point out that both games look nearly identical in all aspects, which is the good side of things. The bad news is that the game looks noticeably inferior when compared to the original Final Fantasy XIII title. This is most likely due to the use of a different (modified Crystal Tools) engine, which was probably needed for true console parity. If memory serves, Final Fantasy XIII was supposed to be a PS3 exclusive at the beginning. The after thought of an Xbox 360 version lead to two major flaws in that version of the game however. One would be the inevitable port to the 360 to save time. The other is that not only was the game ported, but it was ported from an engine that was designed around PS3 architecture. Both consoles are without a doubt beasts of their time, but with such a different set up, ports never end well. This is the same reason that PS3 ports do so poorly in comparisons where the table is turned. Don’t get the wrong idea though, the game still looks great. Just not as great as the first game.
For one, there is a lot more noticeable pixelation going on, most notably in the hair and eyes. The PS3 version of Final Fantasy XIII had an effect going that really brought out a realistic vibe when it came to hair, but not so much for either version here. Secondly textures seem a little more low res this time around. Nothing too serious, but definitely a downgrade. It is also apparent that there seems to be no noticeable implementation of SSAO on either version. On the plus side both versions do feature motion blur and can hardly provide any real advantage over one another in that sense. Anti Aliasing also seems to be about equal on both platforms as well, and fairly well done. While this does appear to be a visual downgrade from Final Fantasy XIII, the game still looks decent enough to belong in this generation of consoles. The real good news here however is that both versions come out looking identical to one another so regardless of the version you buy, they will look the same.
Performance: The performance aspect of Final Fantasy XIII-2 did however favor one console. During the analysis, both versions of the games experienced frame rate hits. However, the 360 version usually ended up dropping an extra three frames on average in most cases, which doesn’t seem to bad at first glance. Unfortunately, in some cases the 360 version would drop up to eight frames in comparison to the PS3. This of course leads to a rather choppy output from time to time. While the PS3 version had dips of its own to deal with, it does offer a more smooth experience overall. On the plus side however, both versions were v-synced and no screen tearing occurred on either platform. This is also what most likely caused the frame rate dips on both consoles. If you only own a 360, at least tearing won’t be an issue. In the end though, the PS3 takes performance.
| Xbox 360 Frame Analysis | PlayStation 3 Frame Analysis |
| Clip 1 info: Length of clip: 2550 frames Average FPS of clip: 23.37 Percent of torn frames: 0.00 |
Clip 1 info: Length of clip: 2550 frames Average FPS of clip: 26.35 Percent of torn frames: 0.00 |
| Clip 2 info: Length of clip: 5557 frames Average FPS of clip: 23.27 Percent of torn frames: 0.00 |
Clip 2 info: Length of clip: 5557 frames Average FPS of clip: 26.33 Percent of torn frames: 0.00 |
| Clip 3 info: Length of clip: 3071 frames Average FPS of clip: 27.51 Percent of torn frames: 0.00 |
Clip 3 info: Length of clip: 3071 frames Average FPS of clip: 28.34 Percent of torn frames: 0.00 |
| Global percent of torn frames:0.00 Global average FPS: 24.46 |
Global percent of torn frames: 0.00 Global average FPS: 26.89 |
Loading: We now come to our final category, the load times. As you can see from the numbers below, the PS3 got thumped pretty bad here. In some cases it took almost an extra twenty seconds for the Blu-Ray version of the game to catch up the its DVD counterpart. It is also worth noting that these numbers are based on the 360 version NOT being installed to the HDD, so there really isn’t much to dispute in this aspect of the game. While the PS3 load times are still under thirty seconds in most cases and therefore not being among the worst of them out there, there is always an advantage to being able to play the game while others are still waiting for theirs to load as the gap is too big to ignore.
| PlayStation 3 Load Times | Xbox 360 Load Times |
| Sample 1: 25 Seconds | Sample 1: 15 Seconds |
| Sample 2: 28 Seconds | Sample 2: 13 Seconds |
| Sample 3: 30 Seconds | Sample 3: 12 Seconds |
| Sample 4: 25 Seconds | Sample 4: 18 Seconds |
| Sample 5: 24 Seconds | Sample 5: 16 Seconds |
| Sample Average: 26.4 Seconds | Sample Average: 14.8 Seconds |
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I can’t wait to hear how Crying and Fandroid will explain this one after they cried Epic 360 Win in the screenshot H2H. They probably won’t even show up, as usual whenever the PS3 wins. Either way, the game still looks like sh*t, and it’s still blatently obvious that they completely dumbed the game down from XIII to achieve parity. I guess it’s become the norm for the inferior 360.
“Microsoft is protecting an inferior technology.” – Rob Dyer
Inferior technology because of the dvd only, cause im sure if the xbox could use blue ray discs, the story would be so different with these games that need a lot of space.
Carmack allready proved what a powerfull engine can acomplish with Rage on the box.
@Lord-Nicon
360 had some qualities that were better, PS3 had others. 360 had way more frame drops as well as screen tearing at some points in the 360 version. The PS3 version had more, although not much, pop in.
I would love to see XIII to XIII-2 comparison because when I compared some pictures from XIII to XIII-2 it looked identical.
So unless someone compares realtime to CGI cutscenes the opinion about XIII-2 downgrade looks like puled from the a$$.
I personally think this is a tie since the disparity in load speeds is actually fairly large. if it had just been a few seconds average it would be a complete PS3 win but an average 15-20 second difference? definitely should have had more force behind it.
also that quote down there isn’t very fair or accurate. microsoft used the best technology at the time. and considering that the dvd drive is still loading games faster than the PS3 by a decent amount its hard to say that it’s inferior.
@DIALGAMARINE: sometimes I think your ass is somewhat envious of your mouth sometimes….
Well, well. Let me borrow a play from she Sony Defense Force playbook…here it goes…”Stupid developers, lazy developers, they don’t know what they’re doing, they should have went to school to learn programming, lazy lazy lazy developers.” Ta Da!!!
Wow, this games doesn’t even look as good as Red Dead Redemption does it Dialgamearine?
I believe the head to head said that they looked IDENTICAL. But Xbox dropped some more frames but demolished the over priced internet ready blu ray player on loading (as expected.) Too bad really that they didn’t use more alpha blending on the SUPERIOR Xbox 360. This would have made the game look so much better. But then the over priced internet ready blu ray player really can’t handle very much alpha blending. I also noticed that there wasn’t any SSAO? This is a shame since the SUPERIOR Xbox 360 can do this effortlessly but had to omitted, like the alpha, due to band width problems with prehistoric RSX gpu. It’s a shame really that such advanced effects offered by the SUPERIOR Xbox 360 had to be ommitted due to the over priced internet ready blu ray player’s inability to achieve parity if they had been put in place.
It would have also worked to the over priced internet ready blu ray player’s advantage if they would have required a M A N D A T O R Y install. The inferiority of the throughput and seek times of the over priced internet ready blu ray player’s blu ray drive compared to the speed and seek times of the Xbox 360′s dvd drive would have been better hidden. Wow that was a huge gap in loading LOL.
Not sure how this one became an over priced internet ready blu ray player win with graphics=tie, loading=Xbox crushing win, and performace = ever so slight over priced internet ready advantage. How does that = over priced internet ready blu ray player win? But a win is a win right Dial? ROFL Now, finally you can clear out the cobb webs from the over priced internet ready blu ray player’s win column and put this one in it!!! I bet you pee’d your pants didn’t U? LOL
Oh @Dialgamarine Quoting the senior VP of Publishing Relations from Sony??? LMFAO at you!!! Wow
John Carmack is a multiplatform engine developer. Your quotes come from a SONY EXECUTIVE .. did you read that everyone a SONY EXECUTIVE saying bad stuff about Xbox …DUH!!!!!! Weak ROFL.
“The Xbox 360 is the BEST console EVER made.” –John Carmack (Not an employee of either Microsoft or Sony)
@Crying1999 Staff design points to otherwise about the tie, but the point is it’s not that epic 360 win you so declared. In the end I could care less if these games looked no better than Super Mario. I won’t be buying this as Square Enix is nothing but complete crap these days. I’ll be playing Twisted Metal and Starhawk, 2 games that your superior Xbox couldn’t even dream of running. You can keep throwing around you fancy graphics effects talk, but in the end, I have yet to see a 360 exclusive surpass, or even come close to, the likes of God of War 3 or Uncharted 3.
Quoting Rob Dyer is hardly different from John Carmack. His statement was about nothing more than dev kits. Everyone knows PS3 dev kits were crap once upon a time, and hell, even Naughty Dog and Santa Monica have complained about the PS3 dev kits before. I guess they believe the 360 is the best console ever made to, eh? Carmack is a dinosaur and after the sh*tfest that was Rage, I could care less what he says. Unfortunately, he lost about 90% of his credibility with that game. It had 60 FPS (PS3 version btw), and decent character animations going for it and that’s it. The open world was small and hardly open, the textures were garbage, the gameplay itself was decent but still generic, the story was short with a sh*t ending, and the multiplayer was nonexistent. I bought that game brand new knowing JC’s reputation, and now I don’t even think I want to touch Doom 4. Keep using your quote, and I’ll keep using mine. They’re hardly different after all. lol
I conclude with this: You still havn’t answered my question for you. You call the likes of Starhawk meh, boring, graphically ugly, and unoriginal. Soooo, since your 360 is sooo superior, name a game exclusive to Xbox 360, that is more original, graphically superior, and just all around a better game than Starhawk. Just like last time, you will probably avoid the question once again. Have a nice day.
@Dialgamarine
LMFAO at you!! Sony Defense Force play no3.”When you’ve had the facts of the overpriced internet ready blu ray player’s INFERIORITY resort to exclusive titles that can’t have a head to head comparison from the SUPERIOR Xbox 360.” You guys know that one well ROFL. God of War was a great game, I still play it time to time, and Uncharted was also a great game, which I played too. But seriously, you Sony Defense Force members really need to get more bullets for your gun. I mean Since there’s only two games that even come close to the SUPERIOR Xbox 360 from the INFERIOR, pitiful, over priced internet ready blu ray player, according to yourself. Don’t you get tired of playing those over and over and over and over and over ROFL!?!?! Do you even read this site Dial. The pitiful over priced internet ready blu ray player gets it’s azz kicked repeatedly on here LOL. Over and over and over and over again!! And if the old scoring system was still in place it would have gotten it’s azz kicked this time too. LOL.
Fancy graphics talk you say? LOL. That’s just basic current gen effects that are a piece of cake for the SUPERIOR Xbox 360 that aren’t mentioned much in the overpriced internet ready blu ray player’s articles because of the crippled RSX’s bandwidth problems. They’re mentioned quite often in the SUPERIOR Xbox 360′s news and reviews. Sorry to bring up a subject that you obviously know little about, graphics programming. But then being a Sony Defense Member only requires that you know the playbook right?
Oh and getting quotes from a “SONY EMPLOYEE” isn’t different??? Wow, what planet is Sony getting it’s Sony Defense Member from now? As for the rest of us here on Earth, anyone with a shred of common sense would know that a “SONY EMPLOYEE” is going to trash the competition ROFL. So yes our quote are VERY VERY VERY different there SDF member. LOL Man this is just too easy. You really must try harder. I fully expect play No. 2 from the SDF playbook now. I think we all know what that is.
Oh Starhawk you ask. At best it’s meh. You asked what looked as good on 360 as that? R U kidding? Did you even look at the screen shots of that game. I mean, it didn’t make me want to puke or anything but it was far from what I’d even expect from the OVER PRICED INTERNET READY BLU RAY PLAYER. Well just about ANY game from the SUPERIOR Xbox 360 looks better than that pitiful effort. Hopefully it’ll look better when it’s finished.
You’re also right about the 60fps of Rage for the over priced internet ready blu ray player. But did you happen to even read the head to head on this very site? Obviously not.
OH and just in case you forgot there SDF member DIAL. Here’s a world renowed, non-biased, well informed, multi-platform, engine developer’s comment regarding the SUPERIOR Xbox 360.
“Xbox 360 is the BEST console EVER made.” –John Carmack
Did you get that Dial? OK one more time, more slowly so you can understand it.
“Xbox 360 is the BEST console EVER made.” –John Carmack
Have a nice day
P.S now I’ll be bracing myself for Sony Defense Force play no. 2.
BUYING you gotta stop with the stupid M A N D A T O R Y install shit….have you ever installed a PC game or played anything other than a Xbox?
And your quote is getting stupid old. John Carmack only said that shit so he could help sell his half-assed game.
Lol internet ready blu ray player your still saying that?!?!
At least PS3 is not an over priced pay for the internet twice ready DVD player.
Once again Crying, you completely sidestepped from what I asked. You could not name a single 360 exclusive that beats Starhawk, nor could you explain how the likes of God of War 3 and UC3 are somehow inferior to what the 360 can dish. You’re all talk with no facts to back it up and you just proved that. You won’t actually name a game that looks better and is more unique than Starhawk because you know you can’t. You just killed any sort of credibility you could ever have, and now all I have to do is sit back and watch as 99% of this site continues to put you and your sad attempt at trolling down. Have a nice day.
@Dialgamarine
Ummmm LOL. OK?
I think when I said ANY game that’s what I meant ANY would look as good as starhawk. Rolling my eyes at you and wondering if you’re about 9 years old or something. Wow. I mean wow. It’s like you don’t even read. But at least you did avoid employing SDF play no 2. Credit to you for that. And like all Sony Defense Force members even if Sony themselves apologized for producing an INFERIOR console you wouldn’t believe it. LOL typical. You’ve just graduated to Sony Defense Force level 2.
That’ll be quite enough little man. Now go brush your teeth and get to bed. LMFAO at you DIALGAMARINE
“Xbox 360 is the BEST console EVER made.” –John Carmack
@Crying1999 So just name 1 game, and explain why. It shouldn’t be hard at all seeing the 360 is ssooooo superior. Reality has obviously shown there are plenty of games that look worse than Starhawk, but it’s too apparent you don’t know the definition of the word. Your logic reflects your age, seeing as you havn’t even been through High School yet. See in HS, they teach you essay writing. When writing a proper essay, you have to present a point and give a decent, if breif, explanation on said point. You can’t even do that and you call me a little kid. HA! Don’t make me laugh, child. I think we’re done here. Have a nice day.
Dialgamarine, I can’t believe you even have to ask if the 360 has any compelling and innovative exclusive software that competes with the likes of Starhawk.
Zumba Fitness Rush
Kinect Star Wars
You asked for one, I gave you TWO. BOOM. You’re mind has been blown. Take a minute to compose yourself, which shouldn’t be too hard with all the time you have on your hands waiting for M A N DEERRR T O R Y installs, which we all know are universal on the PC and would actually benefit the 360 as well (BF3?).
@HUMAN321
Your statement sounds ret@rded.
@mrassbuster69, you don’t understand the concept of sarcasm, do you?
/uncharted 3 is jizz in my pants awesome
Come on buying1999, take this one on the chin like a man. This is a perfect example of how games are being toned down on PS3 the achieve acceptable ports to the Xbox. Its strange though, how many developers don’t feel the need to do so in the reverse. Thats the overwhelming power and monitary influence of M$ for you. Its all just economic corruption. Doesn’t matter what the idustry.
Blandroid and dyingcrying1999 don’t make explanations. They make excuses all the while trolling and shooting themselves in the foot like genuine imbeciles.
@BUYING My god you are fill of contradictions. I remember reading a comment by you saying that loading times are irrelevant when a ps3 game won in loading times. And when the xbox wins loading times, you praise it. Your so full of shit.
Its a bloody tie they both have the same features plus they both got the steel book case.Why even bother talk shit in the end we all get to play it.If you care soo much about your console by both versions I dare ya then come back and talk about the new shit uv discovered.
Nice head to head guys, i didn’t think the series would actually downgrade graphically tho.. but i gotta ask, what do you guys think about the new twisted metal gameplay and graphics?
Twisted metal sucks , just like all ps3 games. Xbox 360 is the BEST console EVER made.-John carmack
It really doesn´t matter witch looks better because both looks worst than the original FFXIII ¬¬
Well that’s strange.
/watch?v=IZ5LKiaK1vc shows a huge loading advantage on the PS3. Your BD drive isn’t about to give out is it, LOT?
But… really?
LoT, you should really check your PS3 Blu-Ray lens, because looking at that video it seems like PS3 has a huge advantage even on load times.
Something has to be explained, in my opinion.
Also because I am finally playing the game now and apart when loading from the Historia Crux my loading times are always below 15 seconds. I’ve got actually surprised about how fast it feels. I would like to know where those numbers come from.
Then I noticed one thing: when I first started the game it took a very long time loading while showing the “SQUARE ENIX” logo. I quit the game for checking if it was working in Italian for my brother and restarted. The initial loading has been 5 times faster or so. A huge difference anyway. Is the game/PS3 caching anything?
PS3 wins, but 360 didnt stayed far behind
, im happy with the results 
, a few frames up dont seem to be a big difference compared to FF XIII. For sure the next Xbox 360 Final Fantasy will be on par with the PS3 version, since the Engine will be fully optimized for both consoles.
According to Wikipedia, SE is still using the Crystal Tools engine for 13-2, unless the information there is incorrect. Where do you get your sources?
What the hell happened? the 3Shitty cant even handle a gimped down version of FFXiii?? Haw haw haw in your face xbots!
And i couldn’t agree with Rob Dyer more
“Microsoft is protecting an inferior technology”
So, when compared to either version of the sequel, we can see that the PS3 version of the original game:
Downgrade? No kidding.
@Lens of Truth
You should’ve mentioned that the PS3 version has superior computer-generated cinematic cutscenes, too.
By the way, these are simply my opinions but I don’t believe they’ve actually modified the Crystal Tools. I think the most they did were adjusting the quality of the in-game assets as they develop the game. And I don’t think the Crystal Tools could’ve presented that much of a problem for porting the game over to the Xbox 360, even if it was developed with the PS3′s architecture in mind (really, now…) After all, I hardly think the engine actually utilizes the SPU, and the fact that it uses 2xMSAA (as everyone know, this and its brethren are RSX-killers) instead of MLAA means that it doesn’t actually have that much of an advantage (if any at all) over its Xbox 360 counterpart. The Crystal Tools is simply crap for being unable to utilize the PS3′s architecture effectively while also failing epically at adapting itself to the Xbox 360′s, which is (let’s be honest) a simpler platform to develop for.
From the very first screen shot I saw of XIII-2, I knew they had downgraded the visuals compared to the original, so LOT mentioning this doesnt surprise me one bit.
People can say whatever the #$%* they want about the graphics engine, but the fact that they had to downgrade the visuals for the sake of parity (and probably Microsoft) pisses me off a great deal.
SMH
A good port for the 360 of an engine designed to run on ps3
Of course the lead version will have its advantages, we see that when the situation is reversed so it’s nothing new.
Shame about the game, but I can’t argue with this getting a ps3 win(ouch at those loading times though).
As for all the deluded fanboys thinking the 360 held back the ps3 version here, I’d say welcome to the world of multiplatform gaming. Do you really think gears of war 3 would have looked as good on 360 if a ps3 version was getting released at the same time?
Of course it wouldn’t.
Both machines will unfortunately always suffer to a degree when developers are looking for parity on multiplatform games.
This still has an advantage on ps3, you get smoother cut scenes especially(woohoo?), but for 360 owners who had to suffer a shocking rushed port of the original, they’ll be much happier with their version of the sequel if they really feel the need to have to play it :p
Is this really ANDROID??!!
Bring back the old one!! NAO!
Yes man woohoo! 1080p CG’s look reaallly good.
According to the video that cernamil linked above PS3 has better load times also, far better load times.
So, XBox 360 version doesn’t even has load time to its advantage.
Did anyone ever expect anything but a PS3 win here?
Personally I don’t care, never understood the hype about the Final Fantasy series, always seems like generic Japanese anime characters doing generic things in generic environments populated by supposedly “cute” weird looking animals.
Spot on PistonWristedGibbon, the FF series died after the excellent FF7 on ps1.
Recent ones have been terrible with silly over the top characters, the last one had a baby chick nesting in a black dude’s afro(i mean wtf is all that about)
Nowadays games need more than hours of cutscenes to be worth playing, especially with these kind of load times(ps3 version).
In the old days of LOT this would have been a tie as well with the original scoring system.
Graphics=tie
Loading=360 win
Performance=ps3 win
overall=tie.
But i’m glad they ditched the loading rating which affected too many h2h’s in the past(usually in favour of the ps3).
@PISTON:
Final Fantasy generic? The series has had it’s flaws no doubt, but to call series’ design generic overall shows your ignorance in general.
You want to talk “generic”? How about all the western RPGs that have boring hack and slash gameplay and boring done-to-death medieval settings? Or all the #$%^ing generic FPS military games with the same generic urban environments?
@Android:
Your avatar is very fitting based on the majority of posts I’ve read from you.
You definitely love being the villain.
@ANDROID123
Somehow something tells me you don’t have that much experience in gaming.
SE should never had made FF13 multiplatform. All it did was cause teh developers to dumb down the gameplay, graphics, stroy, everything.
This sequel is even more dumbed down than the original.
Once again M$ is holding back not just this game but the entire game industry with its cheap lame ass £hitbox.
Had to lol at the fact though that even when the game was dumbed down for $hitbox it still doesnt even come close to the superior PS3.
What a crappy game engine. Not only does it look and perform worse than the first one (on PS3) but I suspect moving to open world has impacted the performance. Coupled with having to spend time on the optimizing the 360 version, time which could’ve been spent on perfecting the engine on the PS3 had it remained an exclusive and you have one technically disappointing FF game. Still it will sell loads I bet so Square Enix won’t learn their lesson well enough.
The engine is great. FF XIII in the PS3 looks and performs excellent. It’s the inferior technology with MS protecting it with its mafia style’s policies for certification that’s dumbing it down. This is the first case ever of a PS3 sequel looking worse. Why? Because with FF XIII MS couldn’t blackmail SE. It was either: we are too far ahead on development, get it as it comes out or forget about Final Fantasy on your junkbox. This time around, to fulfill MS requirement, everything has been dumbed down. As soon as I discovered that FF XIII-2 was 1 DVD only I understood that it was bad news. And here we are.
Hell to MS, Bill Gates and their constant rip off of the computer industry.
BTW LoT: a video comparison in youtube shows that the PS3 loading times are shorter than in the X360 with no install. Who the heck do we have to believe now?
Michelasso, i do love the ps3 fanboys deluded theories about everything being microsoft’s fault lol.
No one whinges like a ps3 fanboy, we all know that.
Maybe you should make up a petition and complain?
It wouldn’t be the first time ps3 fanboys have resorted to such things
Let’s face it, both machines are very dated indeed. Whatever machine gets the lead version tends to get the slightly better version.
That is pretty much it.
If you don’t want to believe the ps3 is a dated machine, then keep believing it’s all microsoft’s fault by all means if it makes you happy
Nah, i’ma go ahead and blame MS. I’ve seen the screenies for The Last of Us. They aren’t bullshot’s, so I know that FF13-2 was dumbed down. The graphic’s are identical for a reason. The same reason that there is exclusive content for the 360 version and still the same reason why there were only 360 commercials advertising FF13-2. If you don’t want to believe Microsoft payed SE, then you are the deluded one. Btw, the fact that you keep saying “Deluded PS3 fanboy’s” Just shows you are a fanboy your self. Hypocrisy is just hysterical.
What does the PS3 being dated hardware have to do with the fact that the graphics were downgraded from a original game?
This makes ZERO sense,you have no argument.
Would be nice if LOT did a comparison to further confirm the decreased visual fidelity in XIII-2.
Dated machines or not you can’t denie it isn’t very strange that a sequel looks worse then the older original…
Android, there are only 2 major fanboys here and those are you and Buying. Both xbots losers. Oh yeah, also PS3FTW, but he chose the right side, the Dark One. :p
Said that LoT itself declared that the PS3 sequel has been dumbed down. Which nearly never happens for a sequel. I don’t care if the two consoles are “outdated” (are they?). Graphically speaking they are both capable of excellent results. The major issue here is the Inferior DVD technology. The X360 simply doesn’t have the space to run open world games, with amazing cut scenes, higher res textures and all the beautiful thing SE can put in a large game. FF games have always been famous for demanding a lot of space. Instead, as a result, also the story is pretty short. Guess why. While FF XIII that had a long story had to be made linear.
That junky X360 DVD is killing the multiplatform videogames. Just deal with it.
That’s the real ANDROID!!
Lens of truth would suck without YOU MAN!!!
Maybe badassbab has a point, if the game is a lot more open world than just boring endless corridors, maybe they had to scale it back a bit to keep the framerate up.
I haven’t played the new game(and I won’t)so I can’t comment on that myself.
I certainly played the previous game on ps3 and wasn’t impressed with the visuals at all, apart from the glorious cutscenes of course.
BUYING1999 is the biggest Troll/Retard/Fanboy I have ever seen…
Care so much about graphics? Get a fouking Gaming PC and ditch the DVD scratcher 360°. PS3 and 360 are pretty much the same thing.
Some users waging a stupid fanboy war about loading time between versions, you have to de too stupid or use drugs to believe a youtube video, maybe made by a ps3 sore fanboy.
By the way, I’ll get it for the priciest bluray player 3, as Im more used to play FF titles on sony’s consoles
But After Skyrim is finished.
That could be. He might be a sore PS3 fanboy, but the same user, ps360frame, actually made 2 videos. The other comparing the loading times with the game installed in the X360. Which was obviously noticeably faster. He is also the same user that made the frame rate comparison, which very fit with the LoT one.
So, assuming that the videos are for real, it’s either his X360 DVD player messed up or the LoT BD drive used to testing. If I was LoT just to be sure I would take that PS3 and another one and compare if installing a large game (Skyrim would do) the installation times are the same. Even if I agree that the DVD is supposed to be faster.
@buying1999 I bought my PS3 because it had a lot better exclusives IMO. When I viewed teh $hitbox three shitty games I was like “OMFG another game where you have to shoot aliens and do stuff like that”. But I instantly fell into love with games like Uncharted, Gran Turismo, Heavy Rain, LittleBigPlanet and the list goes on.
And if you really were such a graphics freak in multi-platform games you would buy yourself a proper gaming PC. Like I did. When I run Skyrim, Battlefield 3 or Crysis 2 maxed out @1080p with lots of anti-aliasing then teh $hitbox three shitty version of these games would look like an 8-bit game.
I liked you a lot more few years ago. Actually, it is pretty funny to read head2heads comments from few years ago. You probably hit puberty now or sonething.
And please stop saying that old sentence from that massive failure game maker John Carmack. What was that game again? Oh right, RAGE, the game which had the shittiest textures ever and a pretty weird understanding of “open world”.
Now go make your poopo, ask your mum to tell you a bed-time story and get to sleep.
Dose anyone else here get the feeling that this game would have looked and played alot better if it was made for the ps3 only?”i mean they done a great job of it for the two consoles but realy!the first one on ps3 looks better,i think the lack of power in the 360 was holding the ps3 way back::{{{ its a shame as this could have been far better in everyway.
Isn’t this game suppose to be more open than the previous title? I don’t play J-RPGs but I recall most critics complained that FF13 was very linear compared to previous titles in the series and it was mostly CG-rendered cutscenes. It didn’t even have towns I believe. More open the game becomes, you usually end up with less details and graphic fidelity. A great comparison for this is Infamous 1-2 v. Uncharted 2-3. Both take the strengths of the PS3 but the graphics aren’t even comparable because one’s linear while the other’s open.
This whole “inferior” bullshit is quite childish and only trolls would write about it.
Spot on wootallica, but it’s quite amusing to see the fanboys rolling out the ‘maybe the 360 isn’t powerful enough’ excuses lol.
Mind you to be fair, I’ve seen lots of comments like that from 360 fanboys after games like red dead redemption, skyrim etc.
Mocking the fact the ps3 isn’t up to it on those games
LOT staff i have a favor to ask…
Can you guys do a face to face of Ps3 DIALGAMARINE and 360 BUYING1999?
I’m trying to know who is more fantarded, but it’s pretty hard.
That would be a great H2H! I think it would end in a tie.
Viagramarine would win that easily ninjahanzo, followed by SDF member no:2, 3 , 4 and 5(they know who they are).
On another note, it’s nice to see I’m clearly still winding the fanboys up given all the negative thumbs down my posts are getting
It’s like the happy days at eurogamer all over again lol.
M$AAF (Micro$oft Autistic Attack Force) With you, buying1999 and a few others at the top.
If the 360 was in the PS3′s position in this H2H you would be like “Another EPIC win for the 360! I heared this game is going to be so awesome! Too bad that the PS3 stays at around 15-25 FPS (ROFL) and who cares about loading times, at least we can play a game and not a slideshow!” Meh, I think I hit the nail on the head with that one.
By the way, you just admitted that you are a troll. “On another note, it’s nice to see I’m clearly still winding the fanboys up given all the negative thumbs down my posts are getting
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this is not about the power of any console both are capable what is required is competencies,,,the right amount of time on each platform u r developing on,,,i always admire ps3 and xbox 360 they are equal to me i love them both,,,but the point is if rage and The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim were better on one console i.e xbox 360 does that mean that the other one i.e ps3 was not capable???
absolutely not,,,
simillarly here no one is inferior just the right amount of time and effort on every platform is required,,,gamers can wait a lil more if they know they gonna get a monster for whatever platform they got,,, i mean if xbox 360 can handle rage , skyrim and witcher 2 nicely i dont see a problem with ff xiii 2,,,still for closing comment i would still say good job on the part of developer because its the gripping story the emotions which inspires me in ff series so its still worth playing,,,
(((if u think im a fanboy then u got to correct your facts)))
Like I said in my earlier comment, the Crystal Tools engine just isn’t good enough. FF13 looked pretty good (on PS3 at least) but that game was based on what SE thought we’d want so the engine was designed around SE take on FF13. Once the complaints started to flood in about how linear and corridor like FF13 was I think SE decided to re-tool the engine for FF13-2 so that it could handle bigger worlds but it’s been at the cost of graphical sheen and in particular performance. The engine just can’t handle open world in it’s current state. And it’s obviously not a great engine for the 360 (really wonder why as there’s nothing that makes me think it would make the 360 struggle). I mean there’s bandwidth saving alpha to coverage hair transparencies. Alpha is usually not an issue on 360.
It’s like SE spent a lot of time trying to get the 360 graphics on par with the PS3 version rather than pushing the PS3 version which is a damn shame really. Oh well, much better RPGs out there anyway.
Well, to be fair, the Crytal Tools also powers Final Fantasy XIV, and that is a huge open-world game. But I guess Square couldn’t quite make it worked on consoles.
Crappy engine aside, I think the AA method also plays a huge role in screwing up the game’s performance. I mean, sure, Square pretty much uses A2C for everything in the game, and that might save a whole lot bandwidth but it’s ugly as hell, and the only thing that could somehow makes it less ugly is MSAA. But seriously, unless it’s 8xMSAA or above, A2C stuffs are still going to look like crap. Might not be so bad with 4xMSAA but 2xMSAA!? Square might as well be better off not bothering with AA at all. Seriously, if A2C is going to look ugly, with or without 2xMSAA, Square might as well has gone with MLAA for the PS3 version (leave the RSX some room to breath) and no AA or Temporal AA for the Xbox 360 version (so that eDRAM can be utilized), that would have improved the performance of both versions a whole lot more.
this buying1999 guy is the biggest xbox 360 fanboy i have EVER seen online, before you say i am a ps3 fanboy, i also own a xbox 360 so i am not a fanboy, i like both consoles but don’t hate other consoles, what did they do to you? and final fantasy looks better on ps3 anyway, i like ps3 more than xbox though
Sony Defense Force members never like hearing the truth. They label it as fanboyism. But the facts remain. It’s not my fault that Sony released an over priced internet ready blu ray player and tried to compete with the SUPERIOR Xbox 360 true gaming console. Or that 90% of games released for the overpriced internet ready blu ray player require a M A N D A T O R Y install. Or that 90% of multi-console release games are better on the SUPERIOR Xbox 360 (Read this very site). Or that the over priced internet ready blu ray player is in 3rd place for consoles. Or that Sony copied the Wii with it’s shameless hd wii knock off move. Or that PSN is a joke compared to Xbox Live. None of those are any or our faults. It’s Sony’s fault. It’s all true and no label can change that. Have a nice day.
“Xbox 360 is the BEST console EVER made.” –John Carmack
@BUYING1999
DEATH TO FANBOYS (and really bad xbox insults eg. sh!tbox360) kthxbye
I have wanted to say this for a long time and I made an account today just to say it.
SHUTUP! I am so sick of reading your 360 fanboy comments. I own a 360 and a ps3 and have had my 360 for 2 years longer and for those 2 years I thought to myself, yeah ok abit extreme but ok.
I’m over it now, fanboys STFU. I buy a game based on what I see on this site no need to gloat over dev errors etc, get over it.
Oh one more thing, stop with the LMAO and LOL and all your other stupid all caps abbreviations, it’s just stupid.
-END RANT-
Final thoughts on the topic if I was going to get the game it would probably be on ps3. Don’t flame me i’m new
@D3CYFL
M A N D A T O R Y install, LOL, LMFAO at you, ROFL, Sony Defense Forse, SDF.
“XBOX 360 IS THE B E S T CONSOLE E V E R MADE.” –John Carmack
@D3CYFL well said haha, i also made my account / profile just to tell buying1999 off, every H2H he flames on ps3, seems like he wants to burn Sony down like that kind of hate, what did Sony do you Buying1999? i don’t understand
Buying1999 is seriously defending the S U P E R I O R disc scratcher today… lol look at the walls of text.
and what did I say? just like i stated on the screenshot H2H, performance on the ps3 version is better. it may be a modified crystal tools engine, but its still first and foremost a ps3 game engine, and that shows. personally I went with the ps3 version, as the performance is that much smoother. yea the load times are longer, but thats ok as long as the game PLAYS smoother i’m fine.
hey buying1999, do you even know why carmack said the 360 is the “best console ever made”? its not because he thinks it so powerful, its because on a development standpoint, its like developing on a pc. coding on the 360 is easier as the architecture isn’t that much different than your pc. ps3 development is different, the cell processor and architecture as a whole is powerful, but very difficult to code for. you have to go into it with a different mindset. also because its a very unique architecture, the code isn’t portable (for those not savvy in comp sci, portable code means that the code will work on multiple platforms with little modification).
you didn’t know that did you. instead you throw around your fanboyish claims as if you know what carmack was saying, as if he was saying its the best console due to performance. thats not what he said. watch the interview again, kid.
also, buying1999, do you even know WHY the 360 is capable of more alpha effects on screen? do you really know anything about the architecture? you sound like some little kid that just reads stuff online and then acts like you know about it. seriously you’re going around saying the 360 is superior.
if you compare the graphics chips used in the ps3 and 360 YES the 360 has an advantage. the unified shader architecture means that there’s more flexibility. have a very vertex shader heavy game? use most of the pipelines for that then. also addressing memory is easier on the 360 as there is a single pool of memory to work with rather than 2 seperate pools. i’ll admit the ps3 is NOT easy to code for. addressing memory and getting the code running efficiently isn’t as easy as you’d think. but it makes you think different about HOW you code. if you compare the cpu’s, the ps3 theoretically outperforms the the 360′s triple core powerPC based CPU. why? well if its coded properly, the ps3′s cell burns through complex computations with ease. thats what the cpu was made for after all. and games like Uncharted and Killzone show that yea the ps3 may not have the more powerful graphics hardware, but the cell more than makes up for the shortcomings of the gpu. offloading as much graphics processing to the cell was genius, and allows the ps3 to do alot on screen at once. you can’t say uncharted 3 looks like crap, if you do then you’re obviously blind or something. first party ps3 games are constantly raising the bar. overpriced blu-ray player with internet built in? when the ps3 first game out it was cheaper than many blu-ray players out there. “superior 360 loading” is due to how fast dvd is, as its a more mature format. 16x dvd vs 2x blu-ray? if the ps3 had a faster blu-ray drive you’d see that this “superiority” you speak of doesn’t really exist. you’re comparing a format that has been around since the late 90′s to something that’s around 4-5 years old. dvd wasn’t all that fast during its first few years either, i remember it taking forever to burn anything onto a dvd and load times of dvds on a player being very long.
kid, what i’m trying to say is please grow up. you’re the reason I feel that the gaming community has gone to shit, your stuck up comments acting like one thing is “better” than the other. better is relative. yea there are some things the 360 does better, but there are reasons, architectural similarities to the pc for one. but there are things the ps3 does better as well, such as having a disc format that allows developers to do more.
please grow up.
Can we have a Darkness 2 head2head soon? The game looks interesting. I might play it on my Mac though. The demo ran perfect with all the settings maxed (looked damn good too)
If it’s a good PS3 port, I’ll get it for PS3 though.
Well, both console versions have screen-tears, and I know you don’t look twice at anything with screen-tearing issues.
Go over to eurogamer to read the darkness 2 face off justspaztik.
It’s pretty much a draw, the 360 version doesn’t look as soft as the ps3 version and has a slight framerate advantage.
But the ps3 version tears less in game(both versions tear though especially on the cut scenes).
They both run Subhd though.
Pc version is the one to get as always, count me in
My oh my. The lack of games and the first H2H of the year showing an inferior 360 port sure has these 360 fangirls in full force. lmao
“[Xbox Live is] such a train wreck” -Gabe Newell
A developer who actually makes good games.
@buying1999 If you get so mad about mandatory installs then you’ve obviously never played THE ONE AND ONLY TRUE GAMING MACHINE, THE PC. Which just confirmes the fact that you really are born in the year 1999 and the $hitbox three shitty is your first console.
“[Xbox Live is] such a train wreck” -Gabe Newell
“Microsoft is protecting an inferior technology” -Rob Dyer
I own both PS3 & XBOX 360 so there’s no “my console is better than your console” nonsense on my end. I opted for the PS3 version since I have the original FFXIII saved into my HDD. From my point of view in terms of visuals, it looks more refine with weather effects and proper skin texture (unlike FFXIII’s awful skin texture) on both consoles. I really don’t see a “graphical downgrade” on either version. As for performance I expected frames to drop considering FFXIII was never smooth all the time. I’m just glad it’s much less linear this time around and I decide the pace of how I advance the story. The preorder bonuses were nice.
WOW. Holy xboxfangirls in full force batman! I have both consoles and have owned both of them for quite some time now. I must admit that the 360 does have a much better graphic FX in some games but in over all performance, I’d have to say PS3 takes the cake. Don’t get me wrong, I love both my consoles, but I do find myself opting for the PS3 versions of most multi-platform games. While I do find that the button layout for the 360 controller is more intuitive (specially for online gaming), I find that most games that I do buy are titles that were initially exclusive to the Sony console. One of the only times I didn’t was when I bought BF3 for 360 (which I know I missed out on some extra GFX), and only because I opted for the PS3 version of MW3 since more of my friends were on PSN (let’s face it, not everyone wants to pay a yearly fee to play games online even if it makes it slightly better). For this game, I think I will buy it for the PS3 since I do miss playing it in it’s originally intended platform (I bought the 360 version since it was out of stock for PS3 and I didn’t feel like waiting… totally regret it now… stupid three discs -_-” )
Seriously though, in terms of console exclusive games, PS3 gives a plethora of high quality games, not only in graphics and performance, but also in story and originality. Don’t get me wrong, Halo’s a fun game (which seems like the only reason you need to own this console for most 360fangirls), but this whole shoot, boom, end of story kind of games do little to entice my interests (which is probably why I don’t own any of the Halo games). They are fun multiplayer games, but in terms of story, it’s really just meh (same goes for BF3, and MW3). I have yet to see anything exclusive to xbox rival titles such as the Uncharted Franchise, Heavy Rain, and Metal Gear Solid 4 (the metal gear franchise finally decided to have some games on 360 but only the remastered versions of their old games). Metal Gear 4 alone will trump any games exclusive to 360 IMO (sure the multiplayer was horrid, but the game itself was amazing). So before any 360fangirls decide to bash this comment and proclaim the greatness that is the xbox360 think about this; if it wasn’t for developers originally exclusive to PS3 deciding to make more money by beginning to downscale the quality of their games to fit the multiplatform genre, the HD DVD reticles of our Xbox360s won’t be reading much or will have a Halo game permafried into its lens. Even the development of FFXIII versus seems like it will be geared for the PS3 architecture and would be considered lucky if it decides to port an Xbox version down the road. If you’re talking about capability, there’s a reason why HD DVD became non-existent.
Oh and BUYING, FYI “internet ready” implies your equipment requires a wireless adapter or a hard wired connection to function. Ergo it’s not “over priced internet ready blu ray player” it’s “over priced wifi certified blu ray player.” Just so you know the lingo. Both consoles have stayed the same price for the last few years at around 299 CAD only because they’ve increased the memory. Honestly even to serve just as a blu ray player, it’s not overpriced for its capability.
Its quite amusing that this FF game had to be dumbed down compared to the others as to provide an acceptable port to the Xbox. You win some, and loose some I guess. I guess this is what they mean when they say microsoft are holding developers back…….
Hey, can I ask a question (and please, only serious people answer). What is the state of multiplatform on 360 and ps3 today? I know that yesteryear they were rather poor on ps3 and I know things have improved alot since the beginning. But are they really equal on average? I know skyrim is a case where it was better on 360, but what about most games. Have we reached a point where the average game looks identical? Or is it still just better to get them on 360 in most cases? I’m asking because I want to start gaming on my ps3 more often than I do, but don’t want to play multiplat on there if its still better to get them in 360.
Please, I only want legit people answering this.
Eurogamer just confirmed this as a definitive PS3 Win.
The ‘dumbing down’ of the graphics from the last one is really noticeable on the ps3. The spit and polish applied to the last game (graphically) was amazing whereas this one definitely smascs of ‘low-res’ throughout.
Having said that, and thankfully, the new game is way way better and feels like FF should, not some linear running down a pretty corridor with tedious fights every three feet. The fighting is important for levelling up but when there is nothing to do once you’ve levelled up…then what’s the point?
This is an excellent game, if only they could have found a way to make it look like the first, but play like the second, then it would’ve been a world beater.
Buying STILL HASNT ANSWERED the question of WHICH XBOX 360 EXCLUSIVE LOOKS BETTER THAN A Ps3 EXCLUSIVE. Because he knows there isnt any! because the engine is I N F E R I O R
In this battle, the PS3 wins.
Head 2 Head Record Battles
360/ps3
Sniper Elite V2 – PS3 Wins 0-1
I Am Alive – Xbox360 Wins 1-1
Prototype 2 – Xbox360 wins 2-1
Dragons Dogma – Xbox360 wins 3-1
O Racoon City – Xbox360 wins 4-1
Ninja Gaiden – Ps3 Wins 4-2
Mass Effect 3 – Xbox360 Wins 5-2
Street Fighter X Tekken – 360wins 6-2
The Darkness 2 – Xbox360 Wins 7-2
MLB 2k12 – Xbox360 Wins 8-2
SSX – Xbox360 Wins 9-2
Binary Domain – Xbox360 Wins 10-2
Soul Caliber V – Ps3 Wins 10-3
FF XIII-2 – Ps3 Wins 10-4